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The MontRED Logo: Face of Our Brand
Monday, March 20th, 2006

MontRED LogoDesigning a logo is one of the most challenging assignments in creating a brand identity. From the initial sketches to the final MontRED logo, it has been quite an exciting journey.

When we started designing the logo in the early part of January 2005, it was important that we first understood MontRED as a brand. MontRED is an online retailer of fine jewelry (just wanted to be sure that you know this so that we can put things into proper context). :)

We started with long discussions with the founding team to understand their vision of MontRED. The absolute transparency within the team made this process a little easier.

Visual Impression: Connecting with Visitors

The importance of the visual impression of the logo and the subsequent process of this impression getting registered in the mind of a visitor has been our major design consideration.

Logo Visual Impression

In the online world where there are plenty brands and even more websites, this consideration holds even more value.

Simplicity becomes the key factor here. The optimal and balanced use of shape, color, form, consistency and clarity can create a striking visual construal that will make the logo stand out.

The visual statement, which seeks to express the essence of an idea, and which is based on function, fantasy and analytic judgment, is likely to be not only unique but meaningful as well. -Paul Rand

Shape & Form: Performing the Balancing Act

The quest for the simple yet strong logo started off by experimenting with monograms that would help in remembering the name ‘MontRED’.

MontRED: First Monogram SketchThe very first sketch was a monogram with ‘M’ in the shape of a mountain and a rolling red circle suggesting growth and progress.

MontRED red gift boxAround the same time, we had also started the groundwork for designing the packaging.This logo is the result of the two simultaneous thought processes, and in a way a result of my obsession to translate the logo to all possible mediums including the packaging.

Next came the set of ideas based on the graphical abstraction of fine jewelry. We had started feeling the need to associate the logo with our product range.

The following are the results of the experiments with the abstraction of an engagement ring, the shape of a diamond, the sparkle of a diamond etc.

Diamond fine jewelry abstract logos

The final MontRED logo is the effect of a series of sketches made by abstracting a ring.

MontRED pencil logo sketches

Interestingly, “MO” became an icon in itself. This we thought would be useful for the favicon, jewelry inscriptions, merchandising, packaging etc.

Own a Color

Humans retain colors first in the hierarchy of visual consciousness. So owning a color allows immediate identification and distinction among visitors in a highly complex and competitive brand landscape.

Apple logoTaking Apple as an example, the rainbow color gave distinctiveness and freshness to the old Apple logo designed by Rob Janoff. The new single-colored logo communicates their innovation with a simpler and direct design.

These next set of logos had an interesting use of color based on the principle that color needs no translation. These logos, however, were not able to capture the elegance of fine jewelry.

MontRED color logoThe logo with three swoosh creating ‘M’ nicely emphasized the color red but was suggestive of speed and movement, which are more appropriate for a sports brand.

Coming back to the series of sketches displaying the graphical abstraction of a ring, adding red specifically signified and emphasized the importance of the color and the logo.

MontRED logo sketches with red color

So here the stark use of red along with the ring like “O” creates a resilient visual impact. The red color builds an energetic and a dynamic focus giving a spirited look to the logo.

Typography: Articulating the Text

logo quoteThe next thing was to determine how ‘MontRED’ should be articulated in terms of text. Writing ‘RED’ in Caps made it easier to read the name correctly.

We finalized on using AvantGarde typeface. This allowed us to emphasize the bold and simple look to the otherwise delicate ‘O’. Plus it added weight to our tag line “Our Experience, Your Trust”.

The Final MontRED Logo

MontRED LogoThe MontRED logo is a good balance of the message and the visual impression that should be associated with the brand MontRED.

The ‘O’ adds a delicate touch to the otherwise robust logo. The contrasting qualities of a jewelry piece of looking delicate and strong make are very nicely exemplified.

The logo can be reduced to the simplest expression while maintaining the personality. It retains its integrity even when transferred to various mediums.

For the team, it’s a job well done.

So now, how about some uncensored feedback? Time to face the barrage. :)

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Comments

ownage!

Comment by n3o on Mar 21 2006

some of the other logos look better than the final one

Comment by n3o on Mar 21 2006

nice work,
DRP

Comment by Anonymous on Mar 21 2006

Sincerely I would have gone only with the M and the O (the last sketch). It’s simple and unique. The ring abstraction is lost at the current final form.

Comment by Julio Nobrega on Mar 21 2006

The M in the crescent has been done before:

boeing.com/commercial/787family/index.html

I think the ideal cut diamond as the top of the O would work better.

Comment by Anonymous on Mar 21 2006

so you decided to go with the comcast logo.

Comment by Garrett on Mar 21 2006

I get the sense that the company name is M NTred. The “O” does not look O’ish enough.

Comment by EKM on Mar 21 2006

The “ring abstraction” is a great sounding term, however the ring has been abstracted right out of the concept. It is hard when you are on the “inside” to not see it as a ring. The final logo doe not portray anything except the words “Mont red”. It has too much of an “anonymous tech company” feel. Thered “ring” looks more like an eclipsed planet or something of that manner - it looks quite futuristic and “spacey”. A very strong “aviation” theme going on. I would suggest playing with typfaces - maybe even using a serif face to soften the cold tech and very masculine feel you have happening. This design may accomplish a lot but it lacks flourish and luxury. Not good for a jewelery retailer.

I am a designer with 15 years of experience (A straight male in case you were wondering) and I know how tough it can be. I think you put a lot of thought into your final design, however to me it looks like the concept of making the ring out of the “o” and abstracting that into a hybrid “m”&”o” design really locked you into limited options.

Hope this helps,
Paul

flies59 -at..gmail..dotcom-

Comment by Paul on Mar 21 2006

Genius!

Launch a brand, design a good (but not exceptional) logo; create an article about said logo; and wait till people have “studied” variations of the logo 10+ times.
Result? MontRED is now thoroughly emblazened on the brain.

I realised this by the end of the article when I thought, ‘ooo, I’ll go and investigate who MontRED is’!

Comment by Andy on Mar 21 2006

Firstly, thanks for sharing your design process with us… it’s good to see the transition of ideas into a final design.

The final logo is actually quite good. I say this as one who has designed many logos. However, I would have put the ideal cut diamond at the top of the O as suggested above… this adds as little more symbolism to the whole logo and makes it easier for unfamiliar viewers to pick up on the association (which is not inherent in the name).

Comment by DaGenius on Mar 21 2006

I like the simplicity; even in monochrome black-and-white, it’s easy to discern the brand name.

You’re very brave for opening yourself up to public scrutiny! Please don’t be discouraged by the inevitable hordes of morons who instantly seek to belittle other people’s hard work.

Having said that, my only criticism would be that unless you told me what you do (jewelry) I wouldn’t have picked up on the “Ring” imagery.

My suggestion would be to add a diamond/star/something to the ‘O’ _IN ADDITION TO_ the ‘M’.

I understand that adding an element to the top would make your logo too tall — and consequently harder to squeeze into a small space — but maybe putting it over at two o’clock would give it a certain amount of “movement” and a nice illusion of depth.

Again, though, I’m pleased to see that some of the “busier” ideas were voted down. The hardest part of designing a logo isn’t figuring out what to add, rather what needs to be removed.

Good job!

Comment by Dabe on Mar 21 2006

Great write up. Still don’t have a great logo for BigBerries, this is good for inspiration and direction

Wish you the best and thanks for taking the time to share.

Comment by BigBerries on Mar 21 2006

I really like the logo… except it makes me think you’re a space company. The “O” looks almost moon-like (and spherical) complete with shading! And the M doesn’t look like a diamond’s sharp edges or its sparkle. But keep it, because space and diamonds are cool.

Comment by Sam Jackson on Mar 21 2006

Yeah, the other logo options you had were much better than the final result.

Comment by Anonymous on Mar 21 2006

this is like a superbowl add. i could remeber your name (becuase it is all over the page here) but i have no clue what you sell. cars, apples. who knows…

Comment by Anonymous on Mar 21 2006

I think it’s a very strong logo, but not quite right for a jewelry company. It just doesn’t say “Jewelry” to me. Jewelry is fragile, and delicate, and your logo says corporate power house.

Comment by Anonymous on Mar 21 2006

Nice read.

The logo reminds of the the Moonstone Logo.

Comment by jc on Mar 21 2006

As much as I appreciate the effort and thought that went into it, and as much as I can see how you ended up where you did, I must say that without reading the paragraph explaining what the company did, I actually had no idea what field the company was in. It really does seem to be more fitting of an infrastructure company than a jewelry company. It’s lacking a certain elegance that a jewelry company needs in order to appeal to the largest amount of people and for them to associate the logo with what the company does.

That’s just my take on it. Don’t let snide little comments like some that are posted here discourage you. Keep working on it, and I’m sure you’ll find yourself at “the” answer.

Comment by Anonymous on Mar 21 2006

Be aware that this article has been dugg, which automatically means a lot of comments using the word “crap”…

Comment by Klaus Nielsen on Mar 21 2006

My first impression of the logo was a wine company.

Sorry, doesn’t say jewelry to me even after all the explanations.

Comment by Jack on Mar 21 2006

It looks like a movie about mars.
THE RED PLANET

Comment by DUG on Mar 21 2006

Looks good and I like all of the logical reasoning… my two concerns would be that A. I feel as though I’ve seen many other companies using a similar cresent shape as the primary artistic element of their logos and B. I really didn’t get the jewelery impression until it was explained.

Besides that it’s a smart looking logo!

Comment by Syrrys on Mar 21 2006

When I first saw the logo i thought it was a moon.

Its not important for people to get its a ring, but it is important it shouldnt be mistaken for something else.

Color wise, when I think of jewelery i think blue, white, silver, gold.. i dont think red. Plus you got the moon/crescent and the color red together.. it already makes you think away from jewellery.

The typeface, probably the worse part of the logo. Firstly you should stay away from preinstalled typefaces. Secondly you should have gone with something that represents elegance like a serif typeface or if you were aiming for a clean trendy feel a beautiful san serif typeface.. again nothing that is free or preinstalled.. check t26.com. AvantGard is crap and gives this logo a very amatuerish feel.

anyway thats my 2cents

Comment by Mark on Mar 21 2006

Another thing, everywhere on the site it says MontRED but the logo says MONTRED. You got to make up your mind, which one is it?

Comment by Mark on Mar 21 2006

Very interesting concept. I’m was planning on designing a logo for my itech.webwarp.net site, but didn’t quite know the approach that should be taken.

Simplicity over Complexity is rather a smart approach.

Thanks for the advice

Comment by iTech on Mar 21 2006

“The logo reminds of the the Moonstone Logo.”

But that logo says to me moon. The logo discussed on this page doesn’t say jewlery, but that is probably also because MontRED doesn’t sound like jewlery to me.

Comment by John Bokma on Mar 21 2006

I agree that this is an interesting review of process with respect to logo design. However when faced with this logo, jewelery is far from conscience thought. I think about skiing or snowboarding, and then I think, that’s a terrible color for a ski resort logo.

Anyway, perhaps a counter clockwise 45 degree rotation and then add the solitaire on that 45 up to the right. I understand the difficulties with names and clients, etc.

Comment by Anonymous on Mar 21 2006

I have to agree with everyone that while it’s a good logo, it doesn’t really fit with your company. To be completely honest, I thought that the picture of the rings at the top were an advertisement! I never expected it to be for your company.

Comment by flipz on Mar 21 2006

The ring has been tooo abstracted, I think that the one with the m on top of the O was good, if you did that with a red O and put montRED in the middle, with the RED in red it would be a great logo, suggesting a ring more, with the name in it so it sticks in the consumer’s mind, and you would be able to include the full thing, or the stripped down version (minus the montRED in the middle). If you chose the right font, it would also look sophisticated. Remember, you can still change your logo!

Comment by Ben on Mar 21 2006

Judging from the number of wannabe logo critics that took the time to post whining and pointless, unconstructive criticism I’d say you have a winner!

Comment by Amonymus on Mar 21 2006

I would like to point out that the logo of the new Blu-ray discs is also a crescent.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blu-ray_Disc

Getting a bit overused it seems.

Comment by flipz on Mar 21 2006

the NTRED seems too separate from the M to create unity and flow. The crescent is a nice touch, but pushes the rest of the word too far away. I think the NTRED should have overlapped the crescent to maintain unity.

Just my opinion.

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Comment by LostFoc.us » The art of creating a simple yet strong Logo on Mar 21 2006

Totally agree with Julio

>Sincerely I would have gone only with the M and the O (the last sketch). It’s simple and unique. The ring abstraction is lost at the current final form.

Comment by Marc on Mar 21 2006

And so the opinions roll. It doesn’t matter if it was the perfect logo…every 5th person would find something about it that they didn’t personally like. Who cares…this is a subjective business and the only thing that really matters is if it results in success for the company. We’ll see….

Comment by Jb3 designs on Mar 21 2006

The MontRED Logo: The process of designing a Logo

Not really a Tutorial but rather a journal of the steps taken from the initial sketches to the final design.

Comment by Anonymous on Mar 21 2006

For those who think that the final one sucks, try using it on a car, diffferent packages; and a website.
It works!

The others about won’t!

Comment by Steven Roddis on Mar 21 2006

Nice concepts

Comment by Anonymous on Mar 21 2006

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Comment by no digg dot net » The art of creating a simple yet strong Logo on Mar 21 2006

I like the logo overall.

However, my first thought was that this was a logo for a design company or for a tech firm.

Many of the other iterations reminded me of a tech or space company, not of a jewellery company. Of course who would have thought that Tiffany or Birks (for all the Canadians out there) would be good names for jewellery companies.

I personally would have created the logo as is, with just the text MONTRED and a diamond or something at the top of the O so it symbolized a ring more.

Just my two cents.

Cheers,
Chris

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Comment by Information Technology » The art of creating a simple yet strong Logo on Mar 21 2006

I agree with what most of the others said.

The cresent doesn’t work - it doesn’t look like the loop of a ring, and frankly swooshes like that have been done to death and back.

The strongest image from the above examples is the simple loop with the red circle in it. (the one with the loop with the diamond in it is a close second.)

As someone else said, don’t rotate the icon (be it circle, diamond, or whatever) to 12 o’clock or 3 (or 6 or 9). Go with 10, 2, 5, or 8…in fact, 10 or 2.

Try, try again.

Comment by Rick on Mar 21 2006

Nice walkthrough into your thought process. As a feedback, I like some other logos more than the one you chose. Goodluck.

Comment by Son Nguyen on Mar 21 2006

It does look like finanial logo… and nothing like a ring..

the red and grey isnt nice..

the sketches look like it had great potential…

simplicity is another name for not very interesting

Comment by Anonymous on Mar 21 2006

good logo. this should have been one example of many to choose from. Unfortunately, I think all of the examples went the wrong way. Clean simplicity is a wonderful idea. But remember that the clean look has become poplular because of high tech look and feel. I think that a little more attention to looking at other popular jewlery makers is a great place to start for this. Every one of them uses a serif font. And although i dont think that they are necessarily good logos (even as good as this logo) they all scream elegance and luxury so much more than this one. Mostly through the use of serif fonts (even cursive)

I would have loved to see you take more things into account when designing the logo… the most important things seemed to have been overlooked. 1) who is my audience and 2) how does my design affect my target audience

yes this is a memorable design, however it does not take into account target audience. And the affect that this will have on most audience will be cheap and bargain and online not : established, elegant, rich… which is what I would think would be what you are shooting for.

that said, its not like you can redesign it now. so lets just say nice use of color and very memorable. hopefully montred will get by on giving great product and overcome the simple bargain look of the logo.

I still think that the people who developed this are extrememly talented and I would work with these designers, they just got caught up with the process and forgot to concentrate on the really important things.

Comment by pj on Mar 21 2006

Don’t let all the negative comments discourage you!

For me, as a budding logo designer, this was a valuable article.

That said, I do feel that the logo doesn’t communicate ‘jewelery’ or ‘class’. I wouldn’t have guessed what the company is doing, and the name is pretty hard for me to read (wasn’t sure if that’s an ‘O’ or not).

Thanks for sharing this!

Comment by Anonymous on Mar 21 2006

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/424/montred8vn.jpg

Comment by Anonymous on Mar 21 2006

By way of follow-up to my earlier post I have quickly whipped up a replica of your logo using the idea I put forward. I also took the liberty of offering a new tagline… view it on this link..

www.zissells.com/montred.htm

Your thoughts and comments welcome.

Comment by DaGenius on Mar 21 2006

I think the final logo is quite strong and an interesting mark, though there were others along the way that had their strong points as well. In the end, it’s *your* branding, and the most important thing (even more than what us nitpicky buggers think) is that you feel it respresents you. More than that, I appreciate your sharing the process since it’s an interesting read. Thanks!

Comment by Beth Dobbs on Mar 21 2006

for German speaking people this site should be very interesting: designguide.at/logodesign.html

Comment by Andreas on Mar 22 2006

Wow! This is completely overwhelming. Thank you guys.

All the encouragement as well as the crits will help me and my team to remain focused. Your feedbacks are giving us good insight and positive energy to move forward. :)

I’ll try my best to reply to all the comments.

-Deepa

Comment by deepa on Mar 22 2006

I’ve come back and while there are some negative comments, I believe you’ve done well. To me, the logo is modern and quite fresh.

Taking a step away from “typical” and what is “expected” for a company in your field. Besides, it all comes down to branding and the reputation you build for your company.

So while many people do not know of you and may have bad things to say, when you build recognition, opinions change.

Any information you may have about jewelry please send it, as we are developing a “style” section and would love to have insight from someone in the industry.

Once again much success to you. :)

Comment by BigBerries on Mar 22 2006

Your logo doesn’t say “jewelry” at all. It says corporation. It’s missing a sense of elegence. Your first step should of been to look at other successful jewelry company logos. This one lacks any sort charm.

However, as graphic for a computer company or some other sort of digital branding - it works very nicely.

Comment by Dan on Mar 22 2006

However, I would have put the ideal cut diamond at the top of the O as suggested above…

DaGenius,

I really appreciate the effort you took to give your valuable advice and actually take time to make an option. That’s super.. Thanks a lot! :)

Your idea of using the ideal cut diamond within the logo is very valid. We also started with the similar concept but the product range of the brand is not limited to diamonds or engagement rings. MontRED carries gold, platinum, tungsten and are in the process of expanding their product range by including accessories and watches. Hence the logo could not use any direct representations. Also I felt the logo should represent the brand and not just the products.

-Deepa

Comment by deepa on Mar 22 2006

Julio, Marc,

A very valid comment.

We do use just the ‘M’ and ‘O‘ as an icon at various places like on the packaging, jewelry inscriptions and various other such places.

However, in the final logo the intention was to somehow help the visitor remember the name of the brand, which becomes important in the online world. Many times we visit various sites and fail to remember them again when we later want to visit them.

-Deepa

Comment by deepa on Mar 22 2006

Hi Ben, pj,

The choice of typeface was to give a strong look to the logo and balance the ‘O’. Jewelry is not necessarily something that is fragile. The look of the jewelry is delicate but the workmanship, really strong.

In everyday’s busy schedule, a woman is involved in variety of chores and this leaves no time to care for a fragile piece of jewelry. The strong make of MontRED jewelry ensures delicate look with no maintenance. What do you think?

-Deepa

Comment by deepa on Mar 22 2006

There are many comments here about not knowing what the company does from this logo. That is not the function of the logo. Look at the well known examples in the beginning. Do you know what MacDonalds or FedEx or Target does just by looking at the logo? A logo is only a symbol AROUND which a brand is built. People come to know what it means after the brand has been developed. Building this brand equity is what truly gives a logo power. The montRED logo is a strong visual symbol that will grab people’s attention, and allow them to remember. Every logo generates positive and negative feedback, but it is ultimately successful or not by the brand built under it.

Comment by Lou on Mar 22 2006

BigBerries,

Thanks for the kind words. Regarding the jewelry related info that you are looking for, please feel free to write to me at deepa [/at] montred (dot) com.

-Deepa

Comment by deepa on Mar 23 2006

Getting to the party a bit late, I can’t really add to both the +ve and -ve points made.

However I strongly feel that the finished logo doesn’t convey the elegance and refinery that should be central to an ‘image’ industry.

Whilst you have tried to emphasise the strength of your product (an unusual and very valid approach) I think it’s caused you to go to far, and lose sight of the appearance of luxury that the owner of any piece of jewelry is attempting to portray.

Also I think your desire to ‘neutralise’ the logo due to your range of products is flawed. People would see a diamond ring and think ‘ah, a jewelers’ and not ‘ah, a diamond ring seller’, in addition you would have gained a valuable design tool.

In summary I feel it IS exactly what you intended- a good, strong logo. I just feel your intention should’ve been for a good, strong, elegant and refined logo instead.

I should point out this was meant as constructive criticism, I think you and your team have put a lot of genuine feeling into your design and as such I have a great deal of respect for that.

Comment by John on Mar 24 2006

I have read the comments about the logo not communicating “jewellery”, but does the Nike tick communicate sportswear? At the end of the day, the product will be more important than the logo, but once the product is established, the logo will represent quality etc.

I think the logo is good…I noticed the space type thing, but I also see the intended ring.
: )

Comment by Francesca on Mar 24 2006

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Comment by Interknox » Blog Archive » Logo design on Mar 24 2006

Maybe a small star/diamond in the “V” of the “M”?

Comment by Anonymous on Mar 24 2006

gr8 work

Comment by Anonymous on Mar 24 2006

Hi,

I think the logo is really good. Being a graphic designer myself i know how hard it can be to get a good logo going. It’s usually a long process.

Very interesting article.

I would just like to add a little comment. To all the people here, all the people who are making a comment or a bad remark…If you guys know so much about graphic design….why werent you the ones chose to make the logo…

Graphic design is a job that needs a lot of creativity, its easy to complain after everything as been done and put before your eyes, harder to do it from scratch…

Good job guys

Comment by Lucas on Mar 25 2006

Lucas,

Glad you really liked the design. I can relate very well to your comments. However, people have different ideas and opinions. And as such constructive criticism broadens our horizon.

Thanks for your encouragement. :)

-Deepa

Comment by deepa on Mar 25 2006

I’m a 100% for the freedom of speech, thats why i gave my opinion on the thing.

Usually when i write or say something, i expect some backfire cause its usually pretty direct….

Comment by Lucas on Mar 25 2006

I don’t understand why there aren’t any comments in reference to the insightful link posted by “Anonymous” earlier:

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/424/montred8vn.jpg

In any case, the problem with the logo is not that it doesn’t communicate “jewelry” - like others have said, this is not a function of the logo.

However - the problem IS that the logo does, in fact, communicate the WRONG idea, if any. The large circle is perceived as significant, whether it is a moon phase, a planet, a tool, etc.

I don’t buy the need for graphic design training as a qualification for commentary on this work. -I- am the consumer. -I- would be the client. The approval of fellow graphic designers does not help when the target consumer market is not impressed.

Comment by Charles on Mar 26 2006

Charles has a very good point. The real qualifier here is the reaction of the targeted demographic. I think the number one question that has to be asked when establishing any brand is, “What are the connotations that my target consumer will bring to the message I’m trying to convey?” In other words, a brand is a two-way communication. The company is trying to convey a certain message to its target consumer, but as with any form of communication, that message has to be translated before it can be accepted and understood. That translation has very little to do with the company or what it does. It has everything to do with the consumer’s worldview.

Very often, a logo will make perfect sense to the person who is designing it; whether that person is a corporate animal or a trained designer. But the person who designs the logo brings a whole series of preconceptions, connotations — in other words, baggage. If you look at the most successful, most memorable logos, across the board they appeal to concepts that either transcend connotation or embrace a particular connotation or stereotype that is generally accepted by the culture and demographic of their target customer.

Another way to say all of that: if the logo doesn’t shout your message, your target customer isn’t going to hear it. What’s more, if the logo speaks a language your customer doesn’t understand on a VERY basic level, your customer won’t even comprehend it.

Personally, I wouldn’t have recommended the final logo because it doesn’t speak the kind of connotations that most people associate with quality jewelry. It really doesn’t even speak the same language. If you study the way people think about jewelry (and I have–I have had several jewelers as clients), they think quality, value, classic beauty, elegance, high society. The font misses these connotations entirely. Blocky sans-serif fonts communicate brevity, blandness, movement, singleness of purpose.

The ring motif is laudable but it is lost almost entirely because it appears unfinished. For someone to look at the design and think, “ring,” they are going to have to proceed along the line of thinking that the company has laid out on this page. Without that line of thinking, there really isn’t a way from point A to point B for the target consumer. That’s where the message is lost, and that is why the logo may not be as effective as its designers have planned.

Also, I wanted to make one more quick point. Steven Roddis wrote, “For those who think that the final one sucks, try using it on a car, diffferent packages; and a website. It works! The others about won’t!”

Having worked in the print, sign, autographics, and website development industries, I’ve found that almost any logo can be made to work in almost any media. The key is supporting the logo with a full graphic identity–if the logo is weak, the brand can be made strong if it is attached to a strong graphic base. Of course it helps considerably if the logo is strong.

Comment by Jason on Mar 26 2006

Jason, Charles, very good points. I totally agree when you say there is no need for graphic design training as a qualification for commentary on any piece of work.

Our consumers might not be artists/designers per say but very smart people nonetheless. For them it may just be a matter of finding the right pendant or a belt or a purse to match a certain dress and occasion. But in every such case, however trivial, they do feel that a shade too much or too little upsets the balance and that there is only one relationship which is as it should be.

And as such there are no wrong or right reasons for liking or disliking a work of art. All of us, when we see any design, are bound to be reminded of a hundred-and-one things which influence our likes and dislikes. The faint awkwardness of the ‘O’ might very well disturb a few. For others, it might create a visual impression that would help them distinctively remember the name MontRED.

Once again, thanks so much for expressing your opinion and taking part in this discussion.

-Deepa

Comment by deepa on Mar 26 2006

The Coca-Cola logo is incorrect. There is a piece missing in the letter “l”.

Nice logo btw, congrats. I would work on it a bit more to make the ring read more like an “O”.

Comment by ivan on Mar 26 2006

Honestly didn’t get the jewelery connection until I read the article.

Comment by Ross on Mar 27 2006

Honestly tell me how you get the courier connection from Fedex logo, or a sportswear connection from Nike logo, or a fast food connection from MacDonald logo, or a soda connection from Pepsi logo, or a car connection from Mercedes logo?

It’s basically how you build your brand around the logo. Brand building doesn’t start and END at the logo.

I think these guys have done a good job. Now it will be interesting to see how they build a brand around the logo.

Comment by TJ on Mar 27 2006

Thanks for sharing the design iteration process, very interesting for me as a non-design person!

Comment by Anonymous on Mar 27 2006

It’s pretty ‘hard’ for a company that retails fine jewelry.

The more you talk into a logo, the more people will ‘get’ it too. I’d be interested in seeing the comments if you posted a before and after of your logo to see what people thought.

My route would personally be ‘organic, engineered’. This might amek a bit more sense of the ’soft’ and ‘hard’ juxtaposition attempted with the O in the logo.

I’d give it another few weeks development if I were on that design team… sorry ;-)

Comment by SE Holtaway on Mar 28 2006

In reply to TJ:

I don’t get the courier connection from FedEx. The company’s name is “Federal Express” and the full name was the original logo. The name of the company has connotations of speed or efficiency. Not until the brand was widely recognized did they shorten it to FedEx.

The Nike swoosh was supposed to connote “movement.” I may or may not agree that it does, but the key is this: It does not connote anything else of significance to me. I may think, “OK, this might not be the most formal of companies with a logo like that.” But I don’t think, “This might be a telecommunications company.” At worst, I think, “I wonder what the heck this company does.”

The same goes for the golden arches. Sure, I can say that the font of the letter is “playful” or something like that. That’s not the point. The logo was only shortened to the “M” after the company had established itself in the market. Before that it was “McDonald’s,” and it was, and still is, entirely common for restaurant chains to use a possessive form of a first or last name. I don’t think “restaurant” automatically if I see a name with an “apostrophe, s” on it, but once again, I don’t think “fishing company” or anything else in particular.

Pepsi’s original logo was “Pepsi-Cola.” A cola company, obviously. In 1898, the company name was its logo. In 1950, what looks like a yin-yang image variant was added behind the full name “Pepsi-Cola.” I suppose what looks to be a yin-yang variant implies “unity” to me, which wouldn’t detract from Pepsi’s image. Only starting from 1962, some SEVENTY-FOUR years after the company was founded, did they finally drop the word “Cola” from its logo.

The Mercedes logo shows both axial (vertical) and radial symmetry, which contemporarily connote “class” or “precision.” The logo was intended to represent domination of land, sea and air. I would never pick up on that intent myself. However (and I do apologize for belaboring the point), once again I don’t infer that this company is of a particular industry because the logo has not been abstracted to a point where it begins to _resemble an entirely unrelated object, with apparently lesser abstraction_. A “ring” (jewelry type) abstracted so far that it appears to be a “less-abstract” moon phase, planet’s corona, or anything else besides jewelry, will connote a moon phase, planet’s corona, or anything else besides jewelry.

Comment by Charles on Mar 28 2006

Charles, awesome comment and very good points. It was very interesting to read both of your comments. I particularly liked what you wrote about ‘I’ being the consumer and ‘I’ being the client in your first comment.

I agree with most of your views and I also agree with TJ’s view: “It’s basically how you build your brand around the logo. Brand building doesn’t start and END at the logo.”

Thanks for participating and making this discussion more and more interesting. :)

-Deepa

Comment by deepa on Mar 28 2006

Like Charles, I’m really quite surprised that more discussion hasn’t centered around this picture:

http://img95.imageshack.us/img95/424/montred8vn.jpg

A picture speaks a thousand words.

Comment by Nick on Mar 29 2006

Deepa -

I’ll reiterate a very early post in this thread by crediting you for allowing this much public scrutiny on the design process. In modern times, this type of public interaction is lacking (and sometimes even punished) in so many industries.

Having said that, forgive me for continuing my barrage.

In the process breakdown above, you mention the following: “The logo with three swoosh creating ‘M’ nicely emphasized the color red but was suggestive of speed and movement, which are more appropriate for a sports brand.”

There have been many comments in this thread regarding the final design - that the logo is not appropriate for a jewelry brand, and more appropriate for some other industry.

So, the logo being suggestive of concepts not related to jewelry was rejected, and now that the majority of the feedback tells you the same thing about the “final” logo, the reply is that a brand “does not start and end with the logo.”

I agree. I greatly prefer the “swoosh” logo, and it wouldn’t start and end there, right?

Comment by Charles on Mar 29 2006

Great article. I am just sad I dont know how to reply properly, though, since I want to show my appreciation like many other.

Comment by Bonifacius on Apr 7 2006

Genius!!

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